Raph91000
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Comment ils sont encore en vie tous les pros genre aux us qui prennent des doses de cheval de trait..
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
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havah
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Ça se paie plus tard les artères en vrac 
Il y en a un bon paquet qui nous ont dit adieu, d'autres qui survivent, et d'autres qui vont partir plus ou moins vite, malheureusement
lacertosus
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C'est vrai aussi pour les injectables le bilan lipidique non ?
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havah
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C est moins violent avec les injectables et moins de steatose directe sur le foie
Raph91000
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Du coup y'a que des avantages aux injectables par rapport aux oraux ?
Hormis l'arrêt de l'axe qui le fait tout le temps ?
Hormis l'arrêt de l'axe qui le fait tout le temps ?
Raph91000
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chris2409
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Mes valeurs sont similaire au tienne 110 et 70 et mon foie est nikel. Je pense que ca vient de notre alimentation + sport intense
Raph91000
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Oui j'espère que tu as raison
J'avais suggéré ces raisons à mon doc qui m'a dit que C'est très certainement ça
J'avais suggéré ces raisons à mon doc qui m'a dit que C'est très certainement ça
dvnfit666
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Raph91000
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C'est top !
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guest
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T'es au top poto pour nous dégoter de bons ptits articles de derrière les fagots. Merci.
dvnfit666
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Thanks poto mais ce sujet du foie m'intéresse car on lit de tout et son contraire et il est vrais que sur un bilan hépatique donné selon des valeurs que tu as tu peux faire une crise cardiaque rien qu'en voyant les chiffresT'es au top poto pour nous dégoter de bons ptits articles de derrière les fagots. Merci.
Rien ne vaut le suivi l'oeil et le diagnostique d'un toubib
Perso les prochaines pds je mettrai ici je prendrai les conseils et je ferai valider par mon toubib ne serait-ce de lui fournir la copie (comme j'ai tjrs fais jusqu'à mtn en somme)
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Ça c'est clair qu'il y a de quoi y perdre son latin avec toutes ces histoires de foie, de protections, d'oraux, de valeurs qui bougent, qui bougent pas, etc...
Le top serait d'être suivi par un hépatologue qui soit au courant de toutes nos petites affaires.
Ma foi ça me conforte juste dans mon approche "protos low et/ou court". Ok on explose pas physiquement avec ça mais on progresse tout de même mieux que natty et les risques sont bien moindres.
Je leur laisse leurs 50mg de turi ou de diana sur 6 ou 8 semaines aux autres...
dvnfit666
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Moi ça va mon médecin avait suivi par le passé des gros chimistes notamment leur suivi pds donc déjà son analyse je le fais confiance, au pire j'ai un 2ème med en contact proche et si vraiment y a l'anguille sous roche rdv spécialiste
Mais à mon avis pour avoir un rdv comme ça avec un spécialiste faut s'y prendre longtemps à l'avance
Mais à mon avis pour avoir un rdv comme ça avec un spécialiste faut s'y prendre longtemps à l'avance
Biggy
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En suisse chais pas cest surtout les tickets quil faudra allongerMoi ça va mon médecin avait suivi par le passé des gros chimistes notamment leur suivi pds donc déjà son analyse je le fais confiance, au pire j'ai un 2ème med en contact proche et si vraiment y a l'anguille sous roche rdv spécialiste
Mais à mon avis pour avoir un rdv comme ça avec un spécialiste faut s'y prendre longtemps à l'avance
dvnfit666
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Ouais ici c'est la peur de la boîte aux lettres
Tu t'acquittes de grosses factures tu es tranquille 1 jour et t'en as 3 droit derrière qui t'attendent
Un pays à payer 365j/an
Tu t'acquittes de grosses factures tu es tranquille 1 jour et t'en as 3 droit derrière qui t'attendent
Un pays à payer 365j/an
dvnfit666
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Tu pensais faire quand déjà ton proto me rappelle plus poto
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Jsais pas poto, j'arrête pas de repousser parce que mon planning se remplit de semaines en semaines, c'est relou... Mais il y a de fortes chances que ce soit courant février.
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Short Steroid Cycles.
WHAT ARE THEY?
I call any cycles of 2-6 weeks a short cycle. I have come to the conclusion that 4 weeker give the best gains to sides ratio....and still allow for rapid hpta recovery, even without using hcg during the cycle, since testicular atrophy is minimal.
FOR WHOM and why?
-For the paranoid newbie
-For the person wanting only modest gains from steroids
-For the athlete
-For those that just want to get to there natural maximum weight/developement fairly quickly
*FOR THE LONG TERM USER WANTING TO REDUCE POSSIBLE HEALTH RISKS
* FOR THE LONG TERM USER WISHING TO EVENTUALLY STOP STEROID USE
*FOR THE OLDER ATHLETE
WHY DO THEM(con'd)?
#1. To reduce time with a shitty lipid profile.
Many bros get tired of all the F-ing sides form long cycles. I especially got tired of having a crappy lipid profile for months on end with a hdl of next to ZERO(and yes you ALL get this UNSEEN side and nothing really helps, including the #1 hdl modifier, Niacin)
#2. Generally reduced sides all round
Many don't get bad acne until after 4 weeks "on"
Many loose less hair
My prostate stays okay while on a short cycles with testosterone
#3. Short cycles are better than training natural(gains wise)....you WILL see gains way faster than you could attain to naturally, especially if you are not near your natural maximum level of developement ie: about 190-195 lean pounds for the average man of 5-9-10" tall.
#4. Short cycles are a quick way to actually get somewhat above your natural max weight ...then after the cycles you can hold at your natural max with proper natural training. I for one am convinced that nobody can actually hold onto any muscle size above your natural max long term.
#5. Gains will be more gradual and less noticable and that is actually a positive thing for some people.
#6. Water retention will be less than on a regular cycle
WHAT TO EXPECT
Good gains for the duration "on".
Actual poundage gained will depend on how developed you are now. If you are not well developed yet then the gains will be very good. I have seen 8 pounds kept from a two week cycle.
Well developed men that have been lifting for years should expect more modest gains although several pounds of solid muscle can be gained in as little as two weeks and that would take a year to gain training naturally for many advanced men.
Good and rapid recovery of HPTA especially after two weekers
WHAT THEY WILL NOT ACCOMPLISH
They will not get you WAY above your natural maximum weight/developement even if done for years.
They will not get you really big gains in a single cycle like 12 weekers can.
They will not get you "noticed" in a short time...may be a positive for some men.
HOW?
The very short cycles of 2-3 weeks should be done ONLY with short acting/clearing injectables, and orals. You want to get hormone levels up right away and then you want them to clear soon after stopping. Long acting esters prolong a cycle due to long half lives.
Front loading of injectables is a very good idea...to get hormone levels up fast.
Doses should be fairly big and strong gear needs to be used for the best results, although you can use what you wish to here.
I recommend larger doses for short cycles than for long cycles.
GENERAL TIPS
Always practise time "on" = time "off" with your steroid use, at least.
You can get very good gains from several 2 "on" 2 "off" cycles in a row. If you do more than 3 of these cycles in a row then I would recommend HCG use during the time "on"
Two "on" with four weeks off can be done all year round as you are "on" only for a third of the year.
Four weeks "on" with 5-6 weeks off is a nice way to go and produces very good gains.
* Check out my comments in follow up posts on this thread in regard to training frequency while on these short cycles.
HEALTH TIPS
I have had very good success normalizing my lipid profile with 2 grams of non flush naicin/day in divided doses while "off" and I recommend this for rapid normalization of your hdl post cycle.
I have done up to 5 grams of non flush nicain while "on" and it has done NOTHING...nor has it helped my brother-in-law or training partner while "on" steroids.
*Regular niacin will give you big time ichy flushing spells after taking the tabs....AND IT CAN BE HARD ON THE LIVER if doses about 1.5 grams are taken.
I recommend a good mega multi Vit and extra anti oxidants like E, C, Selenium, carotenes, as well as essential fats like odu's oil(omega 3&6 combo oil) all the time, and especailly while "on".
NOTE: The healthy liver will not be damaged by 50mg of d-bol a day for up to 4 weeks unless you drink alcohol more than moderately.
If you are on acutane for acne then scip any 17aa roids like d-bol.
Source : http://www.musclechemistry.com/uplo...ning-articles/67412-short-steroid-cycles.html
Tiens poto @dvnfit666, ce feed peut t'intéresser.
WHAT ARE THEY?
I call any cycles of 2-6 weeks a short cycle. I have come to the conclusion that 4 weeker give the best gains to sides ratio....and still allow for rapid hpta recovery, even without using hcg during the cycle, since testicular atrophy is minimal.
FOR WHOM and why?
-For the paranoid newbie
-For the person wanting only modest gains from steroids
-For the athlete
-For those that just want to get to there natural maximum weight/developement fairly quickly
*FOR THE LONG TERM USER WANTING TO REDUCE POSSIBLE HEALTH RISKS
* FOR THE LONG TERM USER WISHING TO EVENTUALLY STOP STEROID USE
*FOR THE OLDER ATHLETE
WHY DO THEM(con'd)?
#1. To reduce time with a shitty lipid profile.
Many bros get tired of all the F-ing sides form long cycles. I especially got tired of having a crappy lipid profile for months on end with a hdl of next to ZERO(and yes you ALL get this UNSEEN side and nothing really helps, including the #1 hdl modifier, Niacin)
#2. Generally reduced sides all round
Many don't get bad acne until after 4 weeks "on"
Many loose less hair
My prostate stays okay while on a short cycles with testosterone
#3. Short cycles are better than training natural(gains wise)....you WILL see gains way faster than you could attain to naturally, especially if you are not near your natural maximum level of developement ie: about 190-195 lean pounds for the average man of 5-9-10" tall.
#4. Short cycles are a quick way to actually get somewhat above your natural max weight ...then after the cycles you can hold at your natural max with proper natural training. I for one am convinced that nobody can actually hold onto any muscle size above your natural max long term.
#5. Gains will be more gradual and less noticable and that is actually a positive thing for some people.
#6. Water retention will be less than on a regular cycle
WHAT TO EXPECT
Good gains for the duration "on".
Actual poundage gained will depend on how developed you are now. If you are not well developed yet then the gains will be very good. I have seen 8 pounds kept from a two week cycle.
Well developed men that have been lifting for years should expect more modest gains although several pounds of solid muscle can be gained in as little as two weeks and that would take a year to gain training naturally for many advanced men.
Good and rapid recovery of HPTA especially after two weekers
WHAT THEY WILL NOT ACCOMPLISH
They will not get you WAY above your natural maximum weight/developement even if done for years.
They will not get you really big gains in a single cycle like 12 weekers can.
They will not get you "noticed" in a short time...may be a positive for some men.
HOW?
The very short cycles of 2-3 weeks should be done ONLY with short acting/clearing injectables, and orals. You want to get hormone levels up right away and then you want them to clear soon after stopping. Long acting esters prolong a cycle due to long half lives.
Front loading of injectables is a very good idea...to get hormone levels up fast.
Doses should be fairly big and strong gear needs to be used for the best results, although you can use what you wish to here.
I recommend larger doses for short cycles than for long cycles.
GENERAL TIPS
Always practise time "on" = time "off" with your steroid use, at least.
You can get very good gains from several 2 "on" 2 "off" cycles in a row. If you do more than 3 of these cycles in a row then I would recommend HCG use during the time "on"
Two "on" with four weeks off can be done all year round as you are "on" only for a third of the year.
Four weeks "on" with 5-6 weeks off is a nice way to go and produces very good gains.
* Check out my comments in follow up posts on this thread in regard to training frequency while on these short cycles.
HEALTH TIPS
I have had very good success normalizing my lipid profile with 2 grams of non flush naicin/day in divided doses while "off" and I recommend this for rapid normalization of your hdl post cycle.
I have done up to 5 grams of non flush nicain while "on" and it has done NOTHING...nor has it helped my brother-in-law or training partner while "on" steroids.
*Regular niacin will give you big time ichy flushing spells after taking the tabs....AND IT CAN BE HARD ON THE LIVER if doses about 1.5 grams are taken.
I recommend a good mega multi Vit and extra anti oxidants like E, C, Selenium, carotenes, as well as essential fats like odu's oil(omega 3&6 combo oil) all the time, and especailly while "on".
NOTE: The healthy liver will not be damaged by 50mg of d-bol a day for up to 4 weeks unless you drink alcohol more than moderately.
If you are on acutane for acne then scip any 17aa roids like d-bol.
Source : http://www.musclechemistry.com/uplo...ning-articles/67412-short-steroid-cycles.html
Tiens poto @dvnfit666, ce feed peut t'intéresser.